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« on: October 01, 2009, 03:06:57 PM »

when we were studying the GC I remember a conversation around what we had just read but can't find it...  Cry

near the end of time many will be deceived and will not be able to discern between the holy and unholy....  or something to that effect   Undecided

do you remember where that was and what the wording was....  as I'm preparing something along those lines to present to the church... Wink
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2009, 07:05:12 AM »

don't remember right off the top.......
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2009, 07:11:57 PM »

found something similar...  thanks 
here it is....  website search was down so I had to do things the hard way....   Wink

Great snare:

 I saw that the Lord has given the world opportunity to discover the snare. This one thing is evidence enough for the Christian, if there were no other; namely, that there is no difference made between the precious and the vile. {EW 88.4}

Appetite: 

Intemperance in eating and in drinking, and the indulgence of base passions have benumbed the fine sensibilities, so that sacred things have been placed upon a level with common things. Nadab and Abihu drank too freely of wine, and the result was, they used common fire instead of sacred, and were destroyed for thus dishonoring God. When appetite is left to control reason, sacred things are not discerned. …But God never designed the swine to be eaten under any circumstances. Swine were useful. In a fruitful country, where there was much to decay upon the ground, which would poison the atmosphere, herds of swine were permitted to run free, and devoured the decaying substances, which was a means of preserving health. Other animals were forbidden to be eaten by the Israelites, because they were not the best articles of food.  {4aSG 124.1} 

In general: 

I tell you now that you must have divine enlightenment. If you do not seek this, Satan will set up his hellish banner right in your homes, and you will be so blinded to the real nature of his deceptions that you reverence it as the banner of Christ. If you seek God with contrition of soul, His angels will be round about you, and will minister to you, helping you to discern between the sacred and the common. But a nominal faith, a nominal religion, will find no favor with God.  {1SAT 82.1}  sermons and talks

Sabbath:

Sabbath and Pleasure Seeking. God would have all His gifts appreciated. All fragments, jots, and tittles are to be treasured carefully, and we are carefully to become acquainted with the necessities of others. All that we have of Bible truth is not merely for our benefit, but to impart to other souls, and this is to be impressed upon human minds, and every kindly word spoken to prepare the way to make a channel through which the truth will flow forth in rich currents to other souls.  Every working of Christ in miracles was essential, and was to reveal to the world that there was a great work to be done on the Sabbath day for the relief of suffering humanity, but the common work was not to be done.  Pleasure seeking, ball playing, swimming, was not a necessity, but a sinful neglect of the sacred day sanctified by Jehovah.  Christ did not perform miracles merely to display His power, but always to meet Satan in [his] afflicting suffering humanity. Christ came to our world to meet the needs of the suffering, whom Satan was torturing.--Letter 252, 1906, p. 3. {3MR 245.1} 

Satan’s plan:

Satan himself was educated and disciplined in the heavenly courts, and he has a knowledge of good as well as of evil. He mingles the precious with the vile, and this is what gives him his power of deceiving the sons of men. {RH, November 10, 1891 par. 2} 

In the Church:

"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are His. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honor, and some to dishonor." The "great house" represents the Church. In the Church will be found the vile as well as the precious. The net cast into the sea gathers both good and bad.  {RH, February 5, 1901 par. 6} 



Thoughts on this go in two ways:  for example, if one takes a common day like Monday and treats it as holy, this is unholy.  Or, if one takes a holy day such as Sabbath and treats it as common, this is unholy.

   
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2009, 07:33:29 AM »

The quote in the 1858 Great Controversy is almost the same:
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I saw that the Lord had given the world opportunity to discover the snare. This one thing was evidence enough for the Christian if there were no other. There is no difference made between the precious and the vile.
  but perhaps it makes some difference that it is in the past tense, as already a done thing.  Anyway, you are very correct:
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sacred things have been placed upon a level with common things.

The world has come like a flood into the church.  The world shows disrespect and jest towards leaders and those God has put in authority in the world, and the church members imbibe the same spirit.  How can anyone do what i see people do every Sabbath, usually elders, by adjusting the microphones and lights and piano etc. during prayer?  It really bugs me when you are praying and there is a big FLASH from a camera.  Well, that person sure is dissing God.  Whenever we see pics of people praying, unless they are in a movie type thing where the camera is just started and left on, we should reject them.  Also, many people purposely wait until the prayer starts to walk out or adjust their collars or pick their nose or check their cell phone etc.  Who are we praying to anyway?

OK, enough of my rant.  Several of us talked about after church yesterday, and all agreed that the level of respect shown God has gotten very low.

For this topic question -- I believe it is specifically talking about how "I'm OK, You're OK" type of "unconditional love" doctrine that is pervasive in the church today.  If really we are all OK, and God loves us no matter what, then it means that there is no difference made between doing the right thing, and doing a bad thing.  If there is no difference made, then surely anyone can see that it doesn't matter if we DO the good thing or the bad thing either.  Satan is really laying a huge groundwork to get as many as he can in the last days!

BTW, i really miss SisterinChrist.....Any news from her?
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2009, 09:43:44 AM »

re:  sis in Christ.... 

I made a special post for her on the old link and do not know what happened... she seemed almost a regular...

re:  holy and the profane :

we are closely studying the book of Numbers this quarter and it has really refreshed my memory of how exacting God really is when it comes to sinners coming close to a Holy Righteous God

we need the gift of discernment to know the holy from the unholy

we are all guilty I'm afraid of approaching a Righteous Holy God in an irreverent way...  myself included   Undecided

sigh and cry over the abominations   Cry
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2009, 09:47:11 AM »

re:  Sis in Christ

Just made another appeal.... pray that she comes and understands  what to do
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2009, 07:38:22 AM »

Thanks for trying to find out about Sister in Christ.  All of us get discouraged or tired of stuff sometimes, and i hope it has not happened to her.  Let's pray for her, that she is staying strong, and showing Christ to all around her.  Lord, please watch over our Sister, and keep her from the tempatations and snares of the enemy.  Watch over her, and keep her soul from doubt and despair.  May she always keep both eyes on you - amen.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2009, 07:39:07 AM »

Your new avatar is great  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2009, 05:23:38 PM »

thanks Webmaster....  I kept looking at your pic and thought I needed to put something up there just in case we can have more on board.   

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